Friday, November 03, 2006
Jessica Coleman - Baby Killer
I decided to delete this post. For reasons unknown to me the post has generated 36 comments. Most of which are pretty lame. Everything from the ridiculous to the sublime. I really like the comment that we or I should be more concerned about real crime like "rape and child abuse". I guess in this commenter's mind killing your baby isn't a real crime or child abuse. Interesting. Anyway, I got tired of the emails so I am removing the post. I'll leave the comments for your amusement.
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Really? Seriously?
How can you stab a baby and not "do it to hurt him intentionally?"
I'm not sure where Oprah is going with this show. However, it is nice to learn about the 'safe haven' laws. To me, this is probably the only positive message from the script on Oprah's site. (I didn't actually see the show).
More than anything, it was disturbing. Although Jessica was legally still a child, she still knew that her actions were wrong, unacceptable and plainly evil.
Her boyfriend, Tom? I will quote the words of a wise woman I know... "what an idiot!"
I also would like to say that pro-choice losers have made baby killing acceptable in this country.4000 murdering moms exit abortion clinics every single day! Wake up America.I can't believe that the cop in this case refused to call her a monster.She IS a monster.Was it because he found her attractive?Ted Bundy was attractive too.Jessica should be considered a threat to society as well as dangerous.Why didn't she get life?
i am from New Zealand and we have just had the Oprah show with Jessica on it. I do believe she is well rehersed in what she tells Oprah - but then she has a lot of time to think about things. She was obviously very 'young' and not just in age when this happened and it sounded like her boyfirend tom also had alot to do with her state of mind. I couldn't dream of doing what she did, but I hope when she does get back into society she speaks out to other young girls that for one reason or another end up in a similar position - where they feel they cant talk to someone.
i jus watched oprah in da uk, i think wat this girl has done is as innocent as can be, when she stabbed that child she didnt kill him it was barely a corpse any way,this was eight years ago and if i was in her situation at 15 i think i would of done anything to hide it, wat she did 2 hide it cant be excused n maybe if she told someone she would be happie than she is now, but u cant judge something you dont know about!!!!
I hate to say it but have any of you got hearts? This girl did do some serious wrong but if you've read the actual reports the baby was suffering badly when he was born.
Should she have taken him to hospital YES but at 15 years old this must have been such a scary thing to do.
I do agree she shouldn't ever be allowed more children. A strelisation should have been part of her punishment.
At the end of the day that girl will have to remember all the non birthdays and christmas' her son should have enjoyed. That is a her life sentence.
And who seems to get away with his part? The boyfriend. He was the older party here and should have supported her rather than stand on her stomach to stop her showing then throw his son down a cliff into a quarry. He has already been released but no one complains about him.
I'm from the uk and recently a z list celebrity admited she had a baby when she was a lot younger and gave birth alone in her servants quarters. The baby was still born so she took it to a local park and gave it a burial. Is she an evil whore too or someone upset and scared. The police arrested her but dropped the charges. Maybe if she'd gone to the hospital something could have been done but she didn't.
They are both victims of our society that looks down on stupid girls who get knocked up. My son is now 3 and i'm 20. I have a job and my own home but people still look down on me!!
I do NOT agree with what jessica coleman did but i CAN understand the fear she must've felt.
Think about that please before you judge.
I had a class with Jessica in college and she seemed to be a nice girl. Although, it was an acting class and there was something about her I was unsure about. Therefore, I only remained classmates with her. A few years later, I saw her on the local news, Oprah and 20/20! You have to remember she was only 15 and and probably scared to death about the situation. I blame the x-boyfriend more then i blame her because he put her up to it. Love is blind! She will live with this the rest of her life because she is known as "the baby killer" worldwide. My heart goes out to the poor baby boy. People have to live with their mistakes for life, and she most certainly will, even if she doesn't stay in jail.
I watched the show today in the Netherlands. Don't know if it was a rerun. Anyway, no consideration here for Jessica. Young or not, she killed a tiny baby. That's a fact and crying during the oprah show will not change that. Her winingvoice was irritating me. It was all about her and 'the word' she wants to spread to other girls. What good can she tell them.
She is the bad example here.
And killing a baby is definitely nót a mistake.
The poor health the baby would have when it was born is all jessica's word. Noone can prove that anymore. As well as her story that her ex stand on her stomach? I think she is lying and hiding a lot of stuff, just when she was fifteen. Did not learn a thing from it.
Well,I saw the Oprah-show tonight and I think a few of you are quite narrow-minded. Don't get me wrong, I'm not approving of what jessica has done. But we are talking about a girl emotionally depending on what others and especially her boyfriend would think of her. I can believe she was afraid, seeing her whole world falling apart. So she is a bad example.....is that a reason for her not to warn other young girls for pregnancy?? Here in the Netherlands ex drug/alcohol/whatever-addicts are the best in warning people not to become what they became. Who should warn the youth according to you??? A model miss who haven't had any problems whatsoever? That's a laugh!!!!
I had to turn that off. I could not believe how often she tried to elicit pity for herself. Clearly, it is still all about 'her'. I hope that in time, somewhere in that cold heart and twisted mind, she realizes she killed her own baby. She killed her mother's grandchild.
God have mercy on her soul.
THAT SKANK SHOULD HAVE BEEN STABBED AS WELL. EVEN AT 15 YEARS OF AGE, YOU KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG. I'LL BET SHE GAVE MORE CONSIDERATION TO HER PETS. LET HER ROT IN JAIL. I HOPE SHE HEARS A BABY CRY EVERYTIME SHE CLOSES HER EYES. EVEN A RETARDED PERSON WOULD KNOW YOU COULD JUST LEAVE THE CHILD SOMEWHERE WHERE A PERSON COULD FIND AND CARE FOR THE CHILD.
PARDON ME, BUT LET PEOPLE TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS WITHOUT WHINING AND CRYING. YOU MADE YOUR BED, YOU SLEEP IN IT, RUMPLED, DIRTY AND STINKY THOUGH IT MAY BE. D.P
Oh my.. I don't know what to say, I too just watched Oprah. I think you are a bit harsh. Speaking as a mother of a 16 yr. old that is now a mother of a seven month old son, and hid the pregnancy the entire time. I feel terrible for Jessica. I do not agree with what she said for one second, and I think she wanted to get rid of the child but at the same time I believe that as fifteen yr old she did not completly understand the ramifications of her actions. With my own daughter we were so close, and for as long as I can remember, I had told her, you can always come to me, ALWAYS! But she DIDN'T! She was terrified to disappoint me, and I can understand. Even at 21 yrs of age I was terrified to tell my mom I was pregnant. I do not excuse what she did, but I do believe that she is punishing herself.
I have to say this....you who wrote this artical is the horrible monster...Jessica was 15 years when she gave birth and there is a disease called post partum depression and unless and until you suffer from this disorder you will never understand it. When you suffer from this you have no control over your actions...I do not doubt for one second that this was her case at 15 years old and giving birth to a child alone. I think that regardless if someone knew about this or not she would have suffered from this disorder and had the same thoughts but just maybe someone would have been there to help her. I am absolutely positive that when she says she does not know why she did the things she did she is telling the truth. I also think that if she was caught at the age of 15 right after this happen you would all see this in a different light...it is very tough to look at a grown adult and see things the way you would see them if you were looking in the eyes of a 15 year old.
Being 15 doesn't excuse her from what she did I was 15 when I got pregnant and just as scred as she was my daughter is going to be 11 in November. Age is not a factor here morles and comon sence are Jessica had opptions she chose instead to kill her baby shame on her and all who think she did the best she could given the circumstance's. People come on she STABED her baby then her boyfriend stuffed him in a gym bag filled with rocks then dumped him in a quarry. Sick just plain sick!
She had PLENTY of time during her pregnancy to do the right thing. Everyone knows right from wrong especially at this extreme. In response to the "POST PARTUM" comment are you kidding? Are we talking about the same person? Are you familiar with the Jessica Coleman story at all? Post Partum give me a break. Jessica stabbed her baby to save face and went about her business as usual. Everyone is sorry when they get caught aren't they? I'm sorry for the baby that didn't get a chance.
I am currently 7 months pregnat and I cant imagine anything like that happening it makes me sick to my stomach. I really wonder why she gets to live when she made such a evil decision. She is a monster. People like that deserve to live in hell prisonisnt bad enough she needs to be touchered. I am not with the father of my child and am on social assistance but I dont think I have ever love one person so much as I already do my unborn baby.
I saw this on Oprah today and I think I must of cried for that whole hour of Oprah! What kind of person could do such a thing? She didnt even really cry she acted like it but I never saw any tears! She is a cold and heartless person.
I DIDNT ACTUALLY SEE THE SHOW MYSELF, BUT I AM A 14 YEAR OLD TEEN WHO HEARD IT FROM HER MOTHER && IN MY OPINION, ITS ABSOLUTELY SHOCKING TO HEAR THIS. && HELLO?! WHERE WAS HER PARENTS WHEN THIS INCIDENT OCCURRED? THERE ARE SO MANY CONSEQUENCES WHEN YOU GET PREGNANT, LIKE MORNING SICKNESS. AND AT LEAST RECOGNIZE THE GIGANTIC STOMACH. I THINK TOM, JESSICA && HER PARENTS SHOULD BE THE ONES HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS. 6 YEARS REALLY CANT DO ENOUGH. && THE WAY OPRAH COMPARED HER SITUATION IN GETTING RAPED WITH MURDERING HER OWN CHILD? THERE ISNT EVEN COMPARISON TO THAT. I WAS SO SHOCKED. I DIDNT UNDERSTAND WHO WOULD DO THAT TO A NEWBORN CHILD.. IF THAT HAPPENED TO ME, I WOULD CERTAINLY CONSIDER DOING SOME RESEARCH ON HELP THAT I CAN FIND AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MURDERING THE CHILD WOULDNT EVEN BE ON MY LIST. I AM TRULY DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE PEOPLE EVERYWHERE THINK OUR GENERATION OF TEENS TODAY ARE TOTALLY IMMATURE && IRRESPONSIBLE. ADOPTION WOULD ALSO BE A SUGGESTION. ANYTHING, ANYTHING IN THIS ENTIRE WORLD BUT MURDER. ITS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING && SHOCKING.
This girl is SICK.. FAKE,FAKE,FAKE TEARS. If I was her current boyfriend Id run, RUN LIKE HELL..Id be wondering if she had my kid if she wouldnt loose it and kill it. She killed this baby "INNOCENT" baby. If you want to have sex like adults act like one. You play you pay, she needs to spend the rest of her life in prison for this. I read a comment that someone else posted that said the baby was barely breathing anyways (in regards to her stabbing it) SO WHAT LADY SHE STILL STABBED IT AND IT IS A CRIME. You and her have no regards to human life. GET HELP!
Just so all you uninformed commentors know....The fact that she stabbed the child isn't what killed him. When she fainted after giving birth, she fell on top of the child and that is what caused the head injury that killed the child. I am not saying what she did was right. It absolutely wasn't. However, I think you should all get your facts straight before you start calling someone a heinous murderer. Additionally, each of you should keep in mind that she was 15 years old, and thinking with the mind of a child. I am sure all of you can admit that you didn't make the best choices when you were that age. Does she deserve to be punished? Yes. Is she being punished? Yes. Safe haven laws are in effect now because of situations like this...because America doesn't teach safe sex...because the society and world that we live don't make abstinence a viable option for our children anymore. I just think it's important for people to consider that their lives and decisions are their own and they shouldn't judge others for the decisions they make. There is a difference between disagreeing/agreeing with another individuals decisions and judging the person for those decisions. None of you may agree with me, and that's your choice, however I think you should get your facts straight before you start judging people.
How can you people say, I am sure she was scared. Was she scared when she laid down and let her boyfriend knock her up...she admitted they had been sexually active and that she knbew about protection yet didnt use it...scared no...stupid yes. And the fact that you can even try to sympathize with this MONSTER, because of all her fake tears and the oh I will have to live with this the rest of my life comments...yeah well at least she had that option one her son will never have. And saying the physical condition he was in at birth..exactly more reason to seek medical help, she is disgusting..and baby killers deserve to be locked up and have the key THROWN AWAY, I dont think five years holds a candle to the HORRIBLE ACT SHE DID, which in all honesty had to be premeditated..if she was hiding it from everyone..what did they plan to do at birth!! my opinion is this girl is a MONSTER... but watch her story get a movie deal due to her attention from oprah...safe haven laws could have been represented in a much more decent way and I was completely disgusted by this show and its point?
I am 15 and i could understand where this girl was coming from. I would be scared to tell my mom but murder wouldn't even come to my mind. I wouldn't be able to live with myself knowing that I did this.
Untill you have walked a mile in her shoes, no one really has a right to judge her. Its a fine line between love and fear....as a woman I must say, most of us are really dumb when it comes down to "love". I do not agree with what she did, but things happen in a blink of an eye that will change your life for ever. Many times, its fear taking over.
I have seen it before people with that look in the eye of no remorse no sorrow..nothing..The tears went on and went on and the pouting..its very munipulating..How any soul could do that to anyone is beyond me..There was no ounce of sorrow in her at all..wait.yes there was only for herself because she was in prison..But the thing of it was that after Baby Boy Hope's memorial was founded;the cop staked out on national holidays like mothers day ect. no one showed up no remorse..
What drove her to hid her pregnancy was life really that bad for her?! I mean hiding it with shirts is one thing but what she did is absoulutley unbelieveable!! they should make it illegal for people who do these types of things to have children..woman and men alike...
May Baby Boy Hope's soul rest in piece
I read each and every one of these comments, and my personal thoughts are torn. I was 13 when I got pregnant and 14 when I had my son. When I was having sex at that age I wasn't mature and responsible about it. I felt as if I was invisible as Jessica did. I was have sex unprotected for almost a year with my boyfriend, I thought I couldn't get pregnant. When I did, I was so scared, fortunately I had a supportive, attentive and understanding mom, that knew that something wasn't right with her daughter. I was 4 months pregnant when I found out. I wasn't even mature enough to put 2 and 2 together and notice changes in my body. It's a very hard thing to deal with. Yeah, yeah people may say if you want to have sex you need to be mature and responsible about it. Hell, they don't even talk about that stuff in school until you are 15/16 (well where I live anyway). There are probably hundreds of girls that that Oprah show has touched. I can clearly see what the point of it was. Jessica Coleman deserves to be punished, and for her to open up to the world to be judged like everyone is doing will help many girl that are just like her, It happens everyday and some people deal with things differently, what she did is really no different that any type of abortion, someone who will allow a doctor to suck out the fetus from their uterus isn't put into the same category. When people are in a state of shock, scared, uneducated state of mind, you really don't know what you are capable of and I just think that people are so quick to judge others to make themselves feel better. She will have her judgement day, and until then, she will live with herself and will never be truly happy no matter how hard she tries especially being stuck in a small room 14 hours a day with nothng else to think about but what she did to get there.
To all who are talking crap about Jessica Coleman who are we to judge we are nobody! I dont condone what she did in any sense but I do believe that she does feel bad for waht she did I mean she was 15 pregnant and scared! Maybe at the time she didnt think her parents would be okay with it maybe she didnt know how to handle it but we can not sit her and talk about her like we know her!!! until you have met her face to face and have takled to her about what she has done just keep her in your prayers and thoughts it's all you can do for now!
I watch Oprah everyday when i get home from school.I have seen the Jessica Coleman story twice and both times i saw the same fake stupid murderer.I am 15 and i dont know what i would doif i got pregnant but i do know i wouldnt kill my baby.I am not even gonna say she stabbed him or sophocated him..SHE LET HER BOYFRIEND STAND ON HER FOR 9 MONTHS..even if she hadnt hurt the baby when it came out that baby was already hurting.She is a DISCRASE to society.She is what give teenage mothers bad names.She said she wants to have a baby one day are you kidding me??who is going to watch her then to nake sure she wont kill her next baby.and who ever said it was post pardom are you serious??she wsa planning on killing her baby the whole time she was pregnant.alhough i do think Tom should have gotton a worse sentence then he did but he didnt stab the baby .so regardless of whether or not the baby was dead or not she took the last step to carry out the deed.As a 15 year old even i know dont spread your legs if you dont want to get pregnant.She is a dumb whore that should face the fact of what she did and not this pansy little sentence of 6 years.If she thought she was grown up enough to have sex then she should be grown up enough to take care of a child.Part of the blame should go to society you have 4000 women murdering their child every day because stupid hoes made it legal to kill babies.THIS IS TO EVERYONE IF YOU DONT WANT A BABY KEEP YOUR LEGS CLOSED.
I watched this show yesterday, here in the Netherlands and I was really shocked. I totally understand she was 15 at the time and really afraid..But at this age you know right from wrong. I think she's a really great actress with no sense of feeling. She deserves this punishment and she will always live with this terrible thing she did. They should give her at least 20 years. She needs to realize what she did.
It's good they developed "safe haven" laws. A good option for all those creatures who have unprotected sex.
I felt very sick when I watched the show. I mean, what was she thinking really?? She wanted to do everything for her boyfriend, Tom. How could someone kill his/her baby??
We can ask each other all those questions and be angry at sick and dangerous people, like Jessica Coleman, but in the end..only God can judge us.
Dear Blogger, I don't know who you are, and quite honestly, I don't think I wish to. I have a 5 month old baby and am pregnant with a second. I too, have made "horrible mistakes" in my life, as has my husband. We have between the two of us, killed people, been strung out on drugs and alcohol, sold drugs you name it, between the two of us we have done it. But we were sick people who got help and continue to get help. Should we be punished for the rest of our lives for the mistakes we made in the past? No I don't think so. I don't know what world you come from, but some of us don't come from a rosy world where everything is pink and roses. People make mistakes and do horrible things. But it doesn't mean that they can't repent and change. You should look up the word compassion, you may need to ask for it someday from someone. G-d help you.
I just watched the show here in Ireland, very very tragic, I believe that Jessica did not want this baby from day 1 and although being 15 and pregnant is a very scary prospect, my opinion is that she intended killing this baby, I mean where did the knife come from. Six years is not enough and she still doesn't seem to be fully aware of what she has done, its still all about the 'me' factor.
Oh my goodness I cannot believe you people...seriously though, she was only 15! She was a child herself when she got pregnant. What she did was obviously wrong, but I think the jail sentance they gave her is way too harsh. I mean, she did this when she was 15 and now she's 21. That time-frame is basically when your personality develops! And it's true what the other poster said: if they had caught her right after the fact, at 15 years old, you probably wouldn't even hear of this case. And how about the boyfriend? Didn't he only get 2 years? That does not seem fair at all.
I was in prison with Jess and believe me- I had a hard time believing that the wonderful intelligent girl next to me committed that crime. If she laughed at one of my jokes she would stop and pause and feel guilty for a moment of laughter saying that she thought prison should be worse. Don't judge- there is a reason for everything that happens.
so i have heard everything about this story possible, including all sides and angles of this story..i actually live in columbia station and went to school w. her jessicas sister who was a grade below me..and to hear something like this happen in such a tiny town that i grew up in where everyone knows everyone is absolutly shocking and disturbing...i find it hard to believe that noone even her closest friends and family noticed she was pregnant, now i do understand that her boyfriend would come home from college and jump on her stomach to keep it from showing pregnancy but what about the symptoms?!? all the morning sickness and other symptoms..and how can someone go to the bathroom pop out a kid clip a barret on the belly button, stab the kid, then stuff it in the closet then go back to dinner like nothin happened...i think that 6 yrs is not enough for taking the life of an innocent child that go to experience nothing but pain and hate...
Everybody makes a mistake. In USA you wouldnt have any friends at a age of 15, and a baby???? Give the girl a chanse. I think its sad that you people judge a person so fast. Isnt Amerca a country of, dreams, hopes etc that you always are so proud of??!!she was only 15. Use your frustration over the persons who hurt persons like rape,child abuse, and so on...many of them dont have any regrets like Coleman...If a person regrets his or hers actions, it shows that he or she understands what he or she did. As i said, the girl is 18-19 now, give her a chanse to live, to breathe and a chanse to do well in this world. Let her give us the message and exsplain why she did it and what she felt. The US society, must also change. Never judge a person before zou now 100% what went through his or her head!!!Try to understand the pain and surrefing she went through.Dont judge her by thinking "what would I do", look it in her eyes..poor girl..
when do jessica get out of jail and how old will she be please let me know
I dont agree with what Jessica Coleman did, but the baby was in serious pain when it was born. I would want to put it out of its misery, stabbing it however was not the right way to go about it. Also the correner found no evidence that the stab wound caused the death. She would have been so scared and im sure many young girls can understand where she's coming from. Jessica Coleman is a good example of putting a good word out to young girls and telling them to say something, but that is all she's not a good example on how to raise a child, but she never said that did she? I hope she has children in the future and can show everyone that she is a good person inside.
get help? she needed help in the situation? if only someone would help the poor girl? her boyfriend helped her kill the baby, thats all the help she needed! and how do you hide a pregnancy for over half a year? her parents must have known as well! god let the kid rot in hell, shes 15 not a 6 year old!
im 16 and i know if i kill somebody i deserve life in prison. this kid got 6 years! BS! and someone else mentioned abortion, yeah stop that crap too. this world is f'ed up.
You aren't kidding--a lot of nutty comments!
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